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		<title>By: Kevin Schoeninger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Schoeninger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi to all,
Great comments on my article above.  I appreciate the discussion.

Let me re-emphasize my main point, which is to get clear on what each tool/technique does/is good for.  My point is not to put down BET.  My point is to be clear on what it does and to compare and contrast that with meditation.  Both have value, as has been described by the article and the comments above.

One thing that I would like to bring into even greater clarity is that different BET programs have different effects and different meditations have different effects.  For instance, one of the meditations that I teach, Core Energy Meditation, leads through six different states of consciousness: relaxed inner body, core heart feeling, focused clear mind, coherence of body-heart-mind, awareness of Awareness itself, and whole body inner space.

It is not common for sales approaches to differentiate at this level.  Most often we come across claims that this or that will &quot;do everything for you.&quot;

So, to include, I hope this article and this discussion help us each to be more discerning about the various states of consciousness that are possible and to use tools specific to what we desire to create in our lives.

BET and meditation can be good tools with some similar effects and some major differences.

Enjoy your practice,
Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Hi to all,<br />
Great comments on my article above.  I appreciate the discussion.</p>
<p>Let me re-emphasize my main point, which is to get clear on what each tool/technique does/is good for.  My point is not to put down BET.  My point is to be clear on what it does and to compare and contrast that with meditation.  Both have value, as has been described by the article and the comments above.</p>
<p>One thing that I would like to bring into even greater clarity is that different BET programs have different effects and different meditations have different effects.  For instance, one of the meditations that I teach, Core Energy Meditation, leads through six different states of consciousness: relaxed inner body, core heart feeling, focused clear mind, coherence of body-heart-mind, awareness of Awareness itself, and whole body inner space.</p>
<p>It is not common for sales approaches to differentiate at this level.  Most often we come across claims that this or that will &#8220;do everything for you.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, to include, I hope this article and this discussion help us each to be more discerning about the various states of consciousness that are possible and to use tools specific to what we desire to create in our lives.</p>
<p>BET and meditation can be good tools with some similar effects and some major differences.</p>
<p>Enjoy your practice,<br />
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		<title>By: graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article but i feel a little misleading. I have meditated for 30 years, the last 8 years with zazen. I have attended many retreats and meditate twice a day, so quite established in my practice, though some might say just beginning. 

It is from this background that i came across brain entrainment, through one of the major exponents on the internet, however i didnt go with that one, although, as you said i could have been meditating like a zen monk in a month. The fact was i felt i already was :)I did further research and found other technologies far cheaper that utilized isochronic and monaural beats as well as binaural. The former two mentioned, do not require headphones. I have used this approach inline with meditation for 12 months now and found my practice and motivation have improved dramatically even when i dont use BET. 

The site that i used stresses the importance of meditation and also offer, totally free of charge a downloadable meditation course for beginners and practitioners that is second to none. The forum is amazing with contributions from knowlegeable/self realized individuals who contribute freely based on what i perceive as the bodhisattva principle of helping others. This sounds like a plug but i can assure you i have no connection other than through being an extremely satisfied customer of Project Meditation(not sure if youll allow that :)

To finish on i would like to make the point that the present interest in meditation and the development of consciousness goes far beyond the individuals disatisfaction with life as it is, it is imperative that we change otherwise the planet will not survive. 

A question...arent church bells, temple gongs, rosary beads, chanting, singing hymns all forms of entrainment ? BET to me seems to be the next logical step in speeding up as a matter of urgency the evolution of consciousness.

Graham
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Interesting article but i feel a little misleading. I have meditated for 30 years, the last 8 years with zazen. I have attended many retreats and meditate twice a day, so quite established in my practice, though some might say just beginning. </p>
<p>It is from this background that i came across brain entrainment, through one of the major exponents on the internet, however i didnt go with that one, although, as you said i could have been meditating like a zen monk in a month. The fact was i felt i already was <img src='http://evolutionezine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I did further research and found other technologies far cheaper that utilized isochronic and monaural beats as well as binaural. The former two mentioned, do not require headphones. I have used this approach inline with meditation for 12 months now and found my practice and motivation have improved dramatically even when i dont use BET. </p>
<p>The site that i used stresses the importance of meditation and also offer, totally free of charge a downloadable meditation course for beginners and practitioners that is second to none. The forum is amazing with contributions from knowlegeable/self realized individuals who contribute freely based on what i perceive as the bodhisattva principle of helping others. This sounds like a plug but i can assure you i have no connection other than through being an extremely satisfied customer of Project Meditation(not sure if youll allow that <img src='http://evolutionezine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>To finish on i would like to make the point that the present interest in meditation and the development of consciousness goes far beyond the individuals disatisfaction with life as it is, it is imperative that we change otherwise the planet will not survive. </p>
<p>A question&#8230;arent church bells, temple gongs, rosary beads, chanting, singing hymns all forms of entrainment ? BET to me seems to be the next logical step in speeding up as a matter of urgency the evolution of consciousness.</p>
<p>Graham<br />
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		<title>By: Nyakio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nyakio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool stuff never used BET,I will try if the results are that good but I do meditate &amp; it has brought me thus far...thank you for the info.</description>
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		<title>By: Deb Moon</title>
		<link>http://evolutionezine.com/meditation-and-brainwave-entrainment-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-9952</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Guys, I have experimented with a few of these types of brain training..I have some weird hard wiring and sometimes some of these bring up too much too quickly..so I am on the slow path and I am using the initial sample you sent as it doesn&#039;t send me crazy..I am a highly trained spiritual guidance councellor and trance medium..I have worked in this industry for over 25 years..I am also a qualified hypnotherapist and psychotherapist....it&#039;s the ol saying..&#039;physician heal thyself&#039; for me and I appreciate the gentle approach..I find this effective and calming and a great service to those of us who practice patience and gratitude towards our own healing and in turn pass it on to others so they may heal too....Thank you so much for the helping hand along this sometimes confusing and painful journey...all the best to you all and please keep up the kindness, willingness and good cheer.....Debs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Hi Guys, I have experimented with a few of these types of brain training..I have some weird hard wiring and sometimes some of these bring up too much too quickly..so I am on the slow path and I am using the initial sample you sent as it doesn&#8217;t send me crazy..I am a highly trained spiritual guidance councellor and trance medium..I have worked in this industry for over 25 years..I am also a qualified hypnotherapist and psychotherapist&#8230;.it&#8217;s the ol saying..&#8217;physician heal thyself&#8217; for me and I appreciate the gentle approach..I find this effective and calming and a great service to those of us who practice patience and gratitude towards our own healing and in turn pass it on to others so they may heal too&#8230;.Thank you so much for the helping hand along this sometimes confusing and painful journey&#8230;all the best to you all and please keep up the kindness, willingness and good cheer&#8230;..Debs<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Cade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed this article, Kevin... probably because I use both concentration meditation practice, as well as brainwave entrainment in my practices.  Sometimes, like Carl, I use them simultaneously and find them to be of great benefit.  Sometimes I use them separately also to be of great benefit.

Like you say, I would encourage people to consider both approaches in their respective roles, and for what they are most effective at. There really is no replacement for the skills developed by a concentrated meditation practice, yet at the same time, I love the ability for brainwave entrainment to help take me to the &#039;next level&#039; quickly in regards to personal development topics or just getting my brain into a certain state of consciousness quickly.

And there really is nothing like the experience of a *really good* brainwave entrainment visual guided meditation... The Monroe Institute does some amazing stuff with their Gateway Voyage program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I really enjoyed this article, Kevin&#8230; probably because I use both concentration meditation practice, as well as brainwave entrainment in my practices.  Sometimes, like Carl, I use them simultaneously and find them to be of great benefit.  Sometimes I use them separately also to be of great benefit.</p>
<p>Like you say, I would encourage people to consider both approaches in their respective roles, and for what they are most effective at. There really is no replacement for the skills developed by a concentrated meditation practice, yet at the same time, I love the ability for brainwave entrainment to help take me to the &#8216;next level&#8217; quickly in regards to personal development topics or just getting my brain into a certain state of consciousness quickly.</p>
<p>And there really is nothing like the experience of a *really good* brainwave entrainment visual guided meditation&#8230; The Monroe Institute does some amazing stuff with their Gateway Voyage program.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Carl @ Personal Development Planet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl @ Personal Development Planet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

An interesting article, but I&#039;d have to disagree on your fundamental argument; namely that meditation and BET should be kept distinct and separate.

I&#039;ve been a student of meditation and a user of various BET products for just over a couple of years now. Whilst I&#039;m by no means an expert at meditation, I wholeheartedly disagree with you:

I&#039;ve found that BET has significantly helped me to meditate more effectively. I could compare BET to the training wheels on a bicycle; whilst they are on, you are not actually learning to balance, but you are getting to grips with the basic mechanics of riding a bike. When you take the stabilisers off, you&#039;re in a much better position to take your skill to the next level.

Similarly, when you use BET to take your brain down in frequency, you&#039;re giving it a sneak peak of what meditation is actually like. When you then try meditation without BET, your brain has a rough idea of what you&#039;re aiming for, and it is easier to remain focussed and calm and to meditate effectively.

You say BET is &quot;passive&quot;, but as you know this is purely up to the individual. Whilst sometimes I allow my mind to wander and visualise when using BET, often I prefer to focus on silence, or on my breathing - which is how I&#039;ve been taught to meditate. The result? A deep sense of inner peace and connectedness, heightened and quickened by BET.

I&#039;ve personally found that Isochronic Tones are better for meditating than binaural beats, particularly when coupled with &quot;meditation music&quot;. Click on my link to find out the difference between the two.

PS - Kevin - it&#039;s a really interesting article, however I feel that it is potentially misleading. BET has helped me and countless others to bridge the challenging gap to meditation. You may see this as &quot;cheating&quot;, but if it has such a magnificent impact on such a wide range of people, and inspires them to learn how to meditate, surely this is a win / win?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Kevin,</p>
<p>An interesting article, but I&#8217;d have to disagree on your fundamental argument; namely that meditation and BET should be kept distinct and separate.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a student of meditation and a user of various BET products for just over a couple of years now. Whilst I&#8217;m by no means an expert at meditation, I wholeheartedly disagree with you:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that BET has significantly helped me to meditate more effectively. I could compare BET to the training wheels on a bicycle; whilst they are on, you are not actually learning to balance, but you are getting to grips with the basic mechanics of riding a bike. When you take the stabilisers off, you&#8217;re in a much better position to take your skill to the next level.</p>
<p>Similarly, when you use BET to take your brain down in frequency, you&#8217;re giving it a sneak peak of what meditation is actually like. When you then try meditation without BET, your brain has a rough idea of what you&#8217;re aiming for, and it is easier to remain focussed and calm and to meditate effectively.</p>
<p>You say BET is &#8220;passive&#8221;, but as you know this is purely up to the individual. Whilst sometimes I allow my mind to wander and visualise when using BET, often I prefer to focus on silence, or on my breathing &#8211; which is how I&#8217;ve been taught to meditate. The result? A deep sense of inner peace and connectedness, heightened and quickened by BET.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve personally found that Isochronic Tones are better for meditating than binaural beats, particularly when coupled with &#8220;meditation music&#8221;. Click on my link to find out the difference between the two.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; Kevin &#8211; it&#8217;s a really interesting article, however I feel that it is potentially misleading. BET has helped me and countless others to bridge the challenging gap to meditation. You may see this as &#8220;cheating&#8221;, but if it has such a magnificent impact on such a wide range of people, and inspires them to learn how to meditate, surely this is a win / win?!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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